Personally, I made enough money with my day job to avoid student loans entirely - and that's a HUGE benefit down the road. Would you really advise that person to choose Kellogg over Stanford, especially if Stanford were a better fit for their professional objectives? One of the most (if not the absolute most) valuable aspect of an MBA is who your classmates/alumni are that you network with. I am considering pursuing a close by part-time MBA program ranked in the top 70-40 schools for an MBA and is the fastest rising program in rankings in the country. [–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children). Do you have any idea what you are talking about? They are typically two entirely different networking groups. I read more often then the average college student I'd say but I think my poor writing comes from going to highschool in one of the worse schools in NY. You now have 2 branches of alumni to network with rather than just one. Around those sub, a low school could be anything below T25. Depends what field you want to get into and where you want to work. I was absolutely dogshit at doing that. Do you read a lot? It took me a while but I got a job at Bank of America that paid decently and got me licensed. I'm in an online MBA program currently. [–]newbodynewmind 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children). Think about having someone edit the emails you send out to potential employers. [–]NahMan_ThatAintMe 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (4 children). [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children). I find this hard to believe. Even just from your old boss? This is truer than most people realize. Top schools take a holistic approach to the MBA admissions process. I'm already an Auditor, so my MBA may just lead me to a better position in a desirable city, but it doesn't have to be Big 4 related. To give you context of how important a top 10 MBA is: I was rejected for a position with a value investing oriented hedge fund that focuses on the industry that I do business valuations for because I lack a top 10 MBA program. For me, I wanted the first level to compensate for a lack of finance foundation. I know a lot of people who have gotten a job with them, they "hire" you and have you sell awful insurance policies to your friends and family. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. [–]IamLevenAnalyst - Hedge Fund[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children). You'll find something real. As a rule of thumb I'd say anything in the top 20 is probably fine but you're really shooting for top 10. Instead of getting an MBA from the best school you get accepted into, research and find an MBA with an emphasis on O&G management, or petroleum development. Went to IE in Madrid! MBA from a not top school worth it? I've also heard they don't distinguish between their regular and online students (as in they don't "out" you in any way), although I don't know how correct that is. Part time is good for continuing in the same career. [+]asudan30 comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (6 children). Jobs like that are a scam. 26 MBA Programs that Lead to the Highest Starting Salaries. [–]NahMan_ThatAintMe 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]wheat123 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children). Of course, top 15 is usually the better choice if you had one. [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children). The recruiter was like they spent over 3 months looking for somebody and was expected to launch in 2 weeks. [–]IamLevenAnalyst - Hedge Fund[S] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child), [–]GVSU__NateAnalyst - Private Equity 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]GVSU__NateAnalyst - Private Equity 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children). I also know a bunch of guys in PE and HF that don't have one at all. Housing gets expensive in popular cities. I am going to expect you to show that you are intelligent with good writing skills before I consider hiring you. If you're not, then get an MBA from a respectable school in the geographic region you want to work in, or at a school with a reputation/focused program in industry you're targeting. Getting your MBA from a different institution doubles your network in essence. Why? and join one of thousands of communities. I have been an avid reader all my life. This is bad advice. The people that you'll meet in an MBA program > The people that you'll meet in a MSF program. [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children). [–]Wineagin 34 points35 points36 points 6 years ago (6 children). It depends on the situation. Personally, I think working professional programs are highly under-rated. tl;dr - you need work experience to get into a top tier MBA program, and any other program isn't worth it. Had the time of my life, built an amazing network, and scored a job that justified the cost. I am graduating this summer from an M7 program. Just depends on the person too. Biggest weak point of online degrees. [–]throw-it-outAnalyst - Hedge Fund 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children). [+]asudan30 comment score below threshold-27 points-26 points-25 points 6 years ago (3 children). I always thought I was a good writer until professional writers (speech writers, communications people) started telling me I wasn't... [–]KyleGCorporate Attorney 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children). What has your post-MBA career been like? Whenever I get an interview I land it but now I can't even get an interview. Work a bit, figure out what you would like to do, and then decide on whether an MBA makes sense. Maybe I'm just lucky but I've never had the fact that I didn't get an MBA from a top 5 school hold me back. I have very little debt from my MBA in comparison to a top tier, make great money, have a rewarding career with a focus on life balance, and live where I want. I would add a caveat that this is more true if you're aspiring to work in a big firm in major cities. Sure I'm not working for high finance, Wall street or a big bank but quite honestly I wouldn't want to anyways. I did pretty badly in undergrad and have a low gpa. Else, what do you think a Top 50 undergrad, high GPA, high GMAT, with diverse and related experience can do to increase clout with those objectives in mind? The average finance hire out of college reads much much more than the average college student. Some might group all nine schools in the same tier, or move a few around within Tiers 3 and 3A. I've actually found that you become a better write by editing others' work, not reading it. [–]asudan30 -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (2 children), You are right. Right now the problem is I can't get any jobs or even an interview. If you go to a top tier school, you should get additional “personal branding” benefit… but though I am a big believer in personal branding and “credentializing”, I think someone with an MD already has that. Outside of the top 10-12 schools these are very diminished / nonexistent. It's useful for asset management, way less so for IB. Yes, the vast majority of people will do fine. [–]hegemonistic 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children). Furthermore, as far as I can tell, the alumni networks are also somewhat distinct, i.e. The reason you don't want to get masters from the same place as your undergrad (especially if they both are in business) is because it doesn't give you the full respect on your resume. [+]asudan30 comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]PuglyTaco 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children). [–]CaseSpartan 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children). My sister got her law degree from a top 40 school and she couldn't get a job. When I go to apply for my next job it will have paid off. MAYBE it's worthwhile if you have a very intensive undergrad, like an engineering degree from a top program. "It’s no different when choosing an MBA program. How is taking classes online different from taking them in the classroom? Sure I'm not working for high finance, Wall street or a big bank but quite honestly I wouldn't want to anyways. I just wanted to chime in to comfort/promote anyone who didn't make it into the top (whatever arbitrary number) school. [–]farria 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child), Its a multi-level marketing model just like cutco.. with financial products instead of knives, [–]IamLevenAnalyst - Hedge Fund[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children). Opened a lot of doors for me. I took the GMAT once when I was 2 years out of school and again 6 years out of school. NO FINANCIAL ADVICE - The Information on this forum is provided for education and informational purposes only, without any express or implied warranty of any kind, including warranties of accuracy, completeness, or fitness for any particular purpose. I went to a very low ranked MBA school and have found that it has been a positive return. Prestige is a factor and online is not considered prestigious. But yes, MBA/JD is pointless outside of absolute top schools. I'm at a top business school (ranked #1 in some publications). Post-MBA salaries were 153% higher than on entering the programme, the second-highest of all schools surveyed. I'm thinking of going back to school so I can go back to a big bank (which I didn't consider before, what with all the difficulty when I graduated undergrad right after '08). I fully concede that I can be wrong on this. But you still can get dismissed, either for not trying at all academically or struggling a lot with a non-quant background AND not being able to pick things up quickly/at a fast pace. [–]asudan30 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]FelixP 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children). If you want something that would look good on your resume, then you should stick with a top school if you can. It's tough, but there's stuff out there. I have a theory that big readers are better writers so I'm just curious. Special corporate partnership programs may exist between a local top tier B-school and your company. [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (6 children). Seriously why do you say this? Online grad degrees are almost always worthless. Please tell me you aren't an SNHU graduate. So if I get accepted into Stanford then I'll pass no matter what? I'd rather being selling knives because at least those are high quality. 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I'm actually a former engineer turned MBA / startup person. Some employers favor local schools too. I have no doubt that people can be successful with any MBA. Secondly, the quality/prestige/focus of the program is much more important than whether or not you also attended the same university for undergrad. [–]throw-it-outAnalyst - Hedge Fund 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (6 children), [–]ell20 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children). Any decision about an MBA ought to be made in context. No issues. Hello, I am in the process of applying to various MBA programs. And no connections made. Those jobs require you to be in a specific location, work ungodly hours and solely focus on you career. Sure I'm not working for high finance, Wall street or a big bank but quite honestly I wouldn't want to anyways. [–]mathpill 37 points38 points39 points 6 years ago (2 children), [–]IamLevenAnalyst - Hedge Fund[S] 39 points40 points41 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]CatoCensoriusAnalyst - Private Equity 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (3 children). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Being forced to study was probably the biggest benefit. of Washington won't be a top 10 or even top 25 program on anyone's list, but it will be far more well-respected to locals when compared with an evenly-ranked school from another state. If you look at corporate finance, non-top MBAs help as well, although you'd likely have extreme difficulty trying to break into certain departments at top companies. [–]IamLevenAnalyst - Hedge Fund[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children). I do understand the desire to upgrade from undergrad to grad.. say go from a state school undergrad to a top program for graduate school but it isn't a penalty. There are way better ways to approach it, if you're disciplined, but in a vacuum I'd sit for at least level 1 again. While military applicants come from many different undergraduate institutions, those who come from service academies and top 50 schools (i.e. Regardless if you go to a top10 MBA program or not one piece of advice I can offer is that you shouldn't get your MBA (or any advanced degree for that matter) from the same institution you received your undergraduate degree. as a Wharton MBA student I probably wouldn't get nearly the same level of attention from a Penn undergrad alum as a fellow Wharton MBA alum. I am generally very happy with my decision to get an MBA at a less prestigious institution. Source: I don't go to USC but a couple of my friends do. [–]hydrocyanideQuant 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child). There is a borderline in which you must pass, and you have grades per se, they simply are not allowed to be released. [–]HeckleMonster 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]FelixP 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]blackeagle613 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children), http://www.usnews.com/education/online-education/mba/rankings?int=a2b309. A recent Forbes salary study shows that pay increases after earning an MBA from a non-elite school (aka, not Harvard) still went up significantly. That's what I've been told. I want to enjoy what I do and if that is entitlement I'm sorry. Top 20 school. More pertinent to the topic at hand: you should not get an online MBA, you should work for a few years before applying to business school (unless you do the 2+2 program at HBS or similar), and you shouldn't bother getting an MBA unless you're at a top 20 (really top 10) program. The classic example I've seen where a non-Top 20 school has been a good value is when it is a decent state school in an area that is far removed from top schools. [–]I_hate_alot_a_lotFinancial Advisor 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children). Sorry to hear that you can't find work. [–]55thand5th 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children). You can't do this online. There are many people with JD and MBA degrees who cannot find jobs. [–]designery 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children). If you're shooting for high finance/wall street, then it makes no sense to get an MBA from anywhere outside of the top 20. [–]disco_biscuit 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child). The ONLY time it's worthwhile is if you have a secure job, you're happy where you are, and you know there would be an automatic salary bump for doing it - AND your employer will foot the bill. If you get an MBA right after undergrad, you: Straight out of undergrad, it's at least possible that you don't know what career you'd lie in 8-10 years. It was a requirement to get a consulting job at Arthur Andersen 35 years ago. 80-90% of the material was never very useful to me. Because they made the job seem like a financial advisory role which it isn't. 3 - often companies provide education assistance so you may get your employer to pay for all or some of your tuition. No, it will not help you. [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children). Melbourne Business School’s top ranked MBA came in at 80th (2019: 61), AGSM @ UNSW was 88th (2019: 70) and Macquarie Business School … 3. Being the same institution means it'll be the same curriculum, same internal politics, same professors, etc. With that said, I would be very concerned about an online program. The more work experience you have, the more learning and growth you do and the more you get for your money in an MBA program--literally. On an MBA I were to do BB banking/HF/PE n't know what you do it for auto! 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